Remember our motto:
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY, that’s the issue. And to put our beliefs
ahead of the Scriptures is to really call into question the Word of God. And
make God out to be a liar.

A good example of this would be God created the all things in 6 days. There are those who believe that it could have been six days and water this down with each day as a thousand years. Or that God did create all things in 6 days but it took time for the light to travel across the galaxy and then time for things to evolve once the light actually arrived here on earth etc.

The basis for conclusions:

Don’t go beyond what the Bible actually says.

Any conclusions made must be in harmony with the rest of Scripture.

It’s like this: that if word of God says it, that settles it!

Regardless of whether I believe it.

Trust and obey the Word & Christ there’s no other way.

Re the modern day thoughts on the Ceremonial / Moral law.

Those who hold to the Moral law- &- Ceremonial Law perspective as opposed to the 1 complete Law system are generally:

Sabbatarians holding to the 10 Commandments place a high significance on them today.

They say: those that do not abide by the 10 Commandments and keep "Sunday" instead of the "Saturday Sabbath" are deceived by satan himself, they are indeed Babylon.

That the keeping of the "Saturday Sabbath" is the seal of God.

Sunday keeping is the mark of the beast they claim.

Those who hold to the 10 Commandments profess that there are two types of law, separate from each other.

They say they are: the Ceremonial Law and the Moral Law.

The Moral Law being the 10 Commandments.

The Ceremonial Law being the Laws out side of the 10 Commandments.

The Ten Commandments are ETERNAL always have been, always will be. (obviously)

The Ceremonial Laws however are NOT eternal, they are temporal and were put away at the cross.

Lets see how that perspective sustains the Scriptural test.

This is one of the proof text theory’s: There are 2 types of Law one on the tablets of stone and another was not on the tablets, the latter was done away with because it was "Ceremonial", but the former was never done away with because it was "Eternal".

Why? Because one was in the Ark and the other in the side of the Ark.

The Ten Commandments were inside the ark however Aaron's rod and other Holy objects were also inside the Ark. Are we to look upon these physical objects as having any more worthiness or eternal value from the rest of the word of God? For the objects that were "inside" the ark, on what Scriptural basis can we pick and choose which one’s are significant, and that which are not?

The basis for this selection on which is more significant? Scripture? [None]

Do we add our own understanding to this and then place some high significance upon it, and make it a doctrine even? As some have done.

Lets see how that perspective sustains the Scriptural test.

Firstly however is not the Sabbath a Ceremonial law in itself?

I am the LORD that brought you out of Egypt therefore REMEMBER the Sabbath day.

We have many ceremonies remembering many significant days in world history or personal achievements and we have ceremonies to remember them by. Therefore by the true sense of the word the Sabbath is a Ceremonial day in remembering the exodus from slavery in Egypt.

After all, the Bible calls the Sabbath a sign of the Mosaic Covenant.

Just as circumcision is a sign of the Abrahamic Covenant.

Now that’s a thought that we'll look at later.

Mark 12:28-34
12:28 One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?"
12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, "HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

Also recited in Matt 22;

Matthew 22:36-40 22:36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" 22:37 And He said to him, ""YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 22:38 "This is the great and foremost commandment. 22:39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF.' 22:40 "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."



Did Jesus say, Love God, have no idols, keep the Sabbath? In essence run through the 10 Commandments No. Jesus didn’t answer with even ONE of the 10 Commandments!

He answered with 2 "CEREMONIAL " laws, (if one were to make the distinction in types of law.)

The Sabbatarian argument that the Ceremonial laws were done away with at the cross leaves us with the 2 greatest Commandments nailed to the cross, and leaving lesser Commandments continuing in place, being the 10 Commandments.

The TWO GREATEST commandments Jesus spoke of were OUTSIDE the 10 commandments.

The 1st is from Duet 6:5

And the 2nd from Leviticus.19: 18

Jesus then goes on to say "On these two Commandments depend the WHOLE LAW and the Prophets."


FACT: The whole law is dependent upon 2 Ceremonial laws, those outside the 10 Commandments.

I must state that I believe the Bible makes it clear that there is "ONE" Old Testament Law system. When the Bible talks about "THE LAW" it is talking about the whole Law not some parts of it. We are either under Mosaic Law or we are not.

Either in the light or in darkness, you’re either saved or not saved, either for him or against him, either hot or cold there are no "combo deals" IN Christ. You are either under law or under grace. You are either one or the other.

SDA point of view is that "The whole law and the prophets hang on the 10 commandments".

Jesus and scripture’s view is "That the 10 commandments and the prophets hang on 2 Commandments outside of the 10 Commandments".

Who’s right? No prizes this time.

Let’s find more scriptures on the matter:

Duet: 5:3 " It was NOT with our fathers that the Lord made this Covenant but with us, with all of us alive here today."

What is that COVENANT again? The Bible specifies it as "Specifically the Ten Commandments"!

The Covenant is the 10 Commandments, Duet 9:15, Duet 4:9-13, Duet 9:11, Exodus 34:28, Duet 9:9. As we have seen before.

The Bible says it was NOT with their forefathers, It was given to Moses for the first time ever in history!


John 1:17 "For the law was given through Moses BUT grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

This verse distinguishes the difference between one and the other; its interesting that even the Bible makes a distinction that truth came through Jesus Christ. We will see later that Jesus reveals the truth about the law, the law is not the full picture, and Jesus reveals the whole truth "Perfectly perfect" & "completely complete".


John 1:17 "For the law was given through Moses BUT grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

Romans 5:13-14 confirms this. 5:13 "There was sin in the world BEFORE the Law was given; but where there is no law, no account is kept of sins. 5:14 But from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, death ruled over all human beings, even over those who did not sin in the same way that Adam did when he disobeyed God's command".

When God put Adam in the garden he did not give him an entire law or even the 10 Commandments.

God gave him 1 single negative directive "You shall not eat….of the fruit of the tree in the midst of the garden". (Gen. 3:1-3)

Adam transgressed this single instruction and thus sin and death entered the world. Therefore that reads correctly with Romans 5:14 "But from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, death ruled over all human beings, even over those who did not sin in the same way that Adam did when he disobeyed God's command".

And also true with Romans 5:13 "There was sin in the world BEFORE the Law was given; but where there is no law, no account is kept of sins".

Note that the Bible makes some conclusive conclusions about itself:

["The existence of (1) SIN before the (2) LAW"]

["From (1) Adam until the time of (2) Moses"]

SIN is linked -with ADAM.

The LAW including the 10 Commandments is linked -with MOSES.


Sin was BEFORE the law.

Sin was not accounted UNTIL Moses.

Another Scripture verse that runs in harmony that the 10 Commandments was given for the first time in history is:

Nehemiah 9:13-14 "You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 9:14 You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, And commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, By the hand of Moses Your servant.

Scripture written under the Holy Spirit doesn’t say reminded them of your Sabbath established before all time! The word says "You made it known", that’s is likened to a new discovery, known for the first time. This again runs in consistency with all other Scripture. Note also that it was "by the hand of Moses"! Not before Moses or any other time period. But during the time and "By the Hand" of Moses.



Jesus quoted the greatest law, as 2 Ceremonial laws not the 10 Commandments!

And the WHOLE law and the prophets depend upon two laws outside of the 10 Commandments. (Matt 22:40)

Specifically the Ten Commandments was not given before Moses (Duet 5:3)

The law came though Moses (John 1:17 & Romans 5:13-14)

Sin was BEFORE the law. (Romans 5:13)

Sin was not accounted UNTIL Moses. (Romans 5:14)

Let’s discover more about these scriptures:

Duet: 5:3 " It was NOT with our fathers that the Lord made this Covenant but with us, with all of us alive here today."

The Bible specifies it as "Specifically the Ten Commandments"! As we have seen before.

The Bible says it was NOT with their forefathers, It was given to Moses for the first time ever in history! All the above scriptures agree with that.

Furthermore there is not 1 Biblical record of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Enoch, or even Job keeping the 10 Commandments and specifically, "its sign" the Sabbath. Yet Job goes through a whole list of righteous things that he has done and omits the Sabbath!

If the Sabbath is so important to God as a measure of obedience and walking righteously before him then surely it is of paramount importance to mention it.

And Moses writing under the power of the Holy Spirit, knowing of the importance of "Sabbath keeping", fails also to mention it, in his writings about his forefathers Abraham, Isaac, Jacob & Enoch or anyone else prior to the exodus from Egypt.

Clear Scriptural text says that the Ten Commandments were given for the first time in history to Moses, and the Scriptures silence on "Sabbath keeping" prior by any of the Biblical men before Moses, is, as expected, in harmony with this view and the Scriptures. God has left us a clear picture that the 10 Commandments including the Sabbath was given to man "By the hand of Moses" and not to their forefathers.

How can they be eternal (before the fall or Moses)? The Bible declares they are NOT!

Such eternal teaching is in conflict with the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit’s inspiration of the Scriptures.

Such teaching relies on the writings of E.G.WHITE and human reasoning but not on Scripture and runs in conflict with the Holy Spirit’s inspiration of God’s Word.

The Ten Commandments was NOT given to their forefathers prior to Moses.

The eternal existence of the 10 Commandments is contrary to very clear Scriptures.

Who do we believe fine sounding argument / Church doctrine?.. or… the Bible!

Scripture consistently rebuts the split laws theory: the "Moral eternal" /"Ceremonial temporal" teaching of today.

Many can reason and conclude many things, but are such conclusions based on Bible fact?

For instance with Sodom and Gomorrah, some conclude that there must have been laws (The 10 commandments) for God to wipe them out.

However it is OUTSIDE what the Bible says and runs CONTRARY and in CONFLICT to VERY SPECIFIC Scriptures on this topic.

The Bible says that sin is not ACCOUNTED before the law, the law came through Moses (John 1:17 & Romans 5:13-14) and if God the giver of life itself, chooses to call short the life of those who would soon die, then who are we to argue. The Word says God would not hold account of sin, against anyone before the law, but it doesn’t say how long he necessarily needs put up with it.

And this view remains consistent with the Scriptures.

In a simplistic way I see it like this:

If your kids are playing on the road, you as a parent decide to stop them in what they think is fun.

It doesn’t mean your going to punish them.

If you tell them: don’t to play on the road, (set the rules, ie establish your law) and they then they play on the road, obviously they will then be accountable.


Again whom do we believe? Man and his justifications OR what the Bible ACTUALLY says.

No matter how much we believe to be justified one cannot add to the scriptures (Rev22: 18-19).

To do so opens a whole Pandora’s box as it were. We find all sorts of groups or people who justify that the Holy Spirit is not limited to just the Scriptures in ways of expressing themselves in worship or in some revelation that is "just for them". That kind of logic open up things like: Some Types of holy laughter, Types of holy dancing (guys usually end up with the pretty Women, funny that) rebirthing and then before you know it we can justify having the new age groups running seminars on meditation. Great for Bible study and meditating on God some may justify, I’m using it for good they say. Or like the Mormons adding their book of Mormon that gives "new light" that we too can become gods. Jesus is in fact is just the archangel Michael and so on.

So to add to the Scriptures to suit our own justifications opens a flood gate that, like the illustrations above can end up in deep deception and out of God.

Here’s a Key: not every thing done "FOR" God, is done "IN" God.

How much do the best of intentions and justifications count, when it’s contrary to the Bible itself?

If its outside the Bible or adding to the Bible or justifying something not specifically stated in the Bible or most importantly if it is CONTRARY to CLEAR SPECIFIC TEXT, then it should have NO place in our Faith or relationship with God or Doctrine. Such things may well have their origins outside of Christ. If so, then outside of Christ leaves us with satan himself manipulating and perverting the true Word of God.

But there is even More confirming Scripture, it seems the Word is being quiet specific on this topic.

Gal. 3:16 "Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring; it does not say, "And to offsprings," as of many; but it says, "And to your offspring," that is, to one person, who is Christ. 3:17 My point is this: the LAW, which came 430 years LATER, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 3:18 For IF the INHERITANCE comes from the LAW, it no longer comes from the promise; but God granted it to Abraham through the promise. 3:19 Why then the law? (Including the Ten commandments) It was ADDED because of transgressions, UNTIL the offspring (Christ) would come to whom the promise had been made;

Gal 3:19
What then is the purpose of the Law /It was added because of transgressions (no distinction of Ceremonial and Moral Law, the law is the law, 1 complete system) It was ADDED UNTIL the Seed to whom the promise referred had come!

What law was added 430 years later after Abraham? The Covenant that was not given to their forefathers which includes SPECIFICALLY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.

If the Ten Commandment are eternal how can they be added if they were always in existence?
How can they always be in effect if they were ADDED, & UNTIL the seed shall come?
They had a definite starting point being 430 years later after the Abrahamic Covenant.
How can Abraham have kept the 10 Commandments as some speculate & suppose since they came 430 years later? And was not given to their forefathers [Duet 5:3].

You cannot find in Scripture that "specifically the 10 Commandments" are preexistent. In fact it is contrary and in conflict with all these Scriptures! Who do we believe, fine sounding argument or Scripture? Now where does it say "IN SCRIPTURE" that the 10 Commandments existed in heaven before the fall? The Scripture? [None!]

I want to rightly divide the word of truth since I am out to determine the truth; here is the only unclear text that I have found which does not change the message at all. Rather than ignore it, I’ll bring it to your attention, because the truth has nothing to hide.

Lets see how they stand in the light of clear specific text.

The ground rules however should be:

Let clear text determine unclear text not the other way around, and the resulting conclusions must be in harmony with all other Scripture of clear text nature.

And then at the end look at the balance bearing in mind that the Scripture does not contradict itself.

Genesis 26:4-5 "I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give them all these lands and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed because Abraham obeyed me and kept all my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."

Lets see what requirements, commands, decrees and laws God gave Abraham.

Abraham had some visions of the Lord.

Genesis 15:5-6 Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." 15:6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

Genesis 17:10 "This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; 17:11 "and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.

Genesis 15:9 So He said to him, "Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon." 15:10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. 15:11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.


Genesis 17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.

Genesis 22: The story of the sacrifice of Isaac.

Genesis 17:15 Then God said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.

Genesis 17:23 So Abraham took Ishmael his son, all who were born in his house and all who were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house, and circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very same day, as God had said to him.

Genesis 21:4 Then Abraham circumcised his son Isaac when he was eight days old, as God had commanded him.


My Response to the words "Abraham obeyed me and kept all my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."

We DO KNOW that the Lord made a Covenant with Abraham and that Abraham’s descendents were to keep "the Covenant of circumcision". (For everyone of his descendants to follow)

The Lord did give Abraham guidance on what to do, and where to go.etc (For Abraham only to follow).

Biblically the only time in history that complete Laws were given for ALL to follow is through Moses.

To speculate about what these laws, decrees, commands and requirements is beyond these Scriptures, is the same as to speculate what Jesus wrote in the sand when the men were going to stone the woman for adultery.

The most logical thought in harmony with all other Scripture is that, Moses having just given to the people (at Sinai) God’s laws and commands, was writing their history in terms that the people knew and understood, having just seen God’s leading and instruction for themselves.

Unclear text is to be determined by clear text.

And conclusions are to be in context and consistent with clear text.

There is nothing in the Abrahamic account that would negate or undermine the clear specific text of other passages in Scripture, as is to be expected. The Abrahamic account changes nothing on the clear text conclusions.

Some suggest that the 10 Commandments were known BEFORE Mt Sinai therefore they are eternal due to the instruction of God on how to keep Sabbath and how to gather the manna a few weeks before Mt Sinai.

  • Firstly it’s a big wild jump to assume that having been given a few weeks before Sinai that the Sabbath is therefore eternal! Scripture on "therefore Eternal"? [None!]
  • Secondly: To make that assumption, was God reminding them on how to gather manna as well? Manna was not given before! Is Manna eternal as well then?
  • Thirdly: Why selectively pick out the Sabbath as eternal and ignore the Manna, the basis for the selectivity? Scripture? [None!]
  • The key to Covenants is LORDSHIP.

God established his Lordship when he took them out of Egypt.

Let’s look at some Scriptures that are using "God’s own words" when Did God establish his Covenant with them?

Note who’s speaking? They are God’s own words!

Jeremiah 31: 31-32: "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
31:32 "NOT ACCORDING to the COVENANT that I made with their fathers in the
that I took them by the hand TO LED THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, My
covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.

God established on his part the Covenant when he took them out of Egypt.

What Covenant is that again? Specifically the 10 Commandments! [Duet 4:13, Exodus 34:28, Duet 9:9, Duet 9:11, Duet 9:15 & Duet 10:4]

God KNEW what Moses had written the books of Deuteronomy and Exodus as the Covenant being Specifically the 10 Commandments. God after this type of Description of the Covenant by Moses says he would make a Covenant not like it, and that he gave it to them then, when he led them out of Egypt! Is God himself mistaken as to when he gave mankind his 10 Commandments!

When God gives the Covenant of the 10 Commandments look at what God does:

Both in Exodus 20:2 and Duet 5:6 God establishes: "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

God establishes his Lordship over the people and then applies his Covenant with them.

That God gave certain aspects of the Covenant a few weeks before the whole complete Covenant is not significant. God established his Covenant when he took them out of Egypt [Jeremiah 31:31-32] And God delivered it in its totality at Sinai.

God’s own word’s say that HE made the Covenant when he took them out of Egypt.

Sabbatarian Doctrine says it is Eternal before Moses and even existed at the fall.

Who do we believe God’s inspired word + God’s own direct word? [Duet 5:3] & [Jeremiah 31:32]

Or Sabbatarian Doctrine based human reasoning and on writings of E.G. White.

Selected Messages Book 3, page 52, paragraph 2

Not One Heretical Sentence.--I am now looking over my diaries[* SEE FOOTNOTE, P.
32.] and copies of letters written for several years back. . . . I have the most
precious matter to reproduce and place before the people in testimony form. While
I am able to do this work, the people must have things to revive past history,
that they may see that there is one straight chain of truth, without one
heretical sentence
, in that which I have written. This, I am instructed, is to be
a living letter to all in regard to my faith.--Letter 329a, E.G. WHITE 1905.



SDA point of view is that "The whole law and the prophets hang on the 10 Commandments".

Jesus and Scripture’s view is "That the 10 Commandments and the prophets hang on 2 Commandments outside of the 10 Commandments".

Jesus quoted the greatest law as 2 Ceremonial laws, not 2 of the 10 Commandments! And the WHOLE law and the prophets depend upon two laws outside of the 10 Commandments. (Matt 22:40)

The Ten Commandments are not pre-existent or eternal they were give through Moses (Duet 5:3)

And Specifically the Ten Commandments was not given BEFORE Moses (Duet 5:3)

"The law" came though Moses (John 1:17 & Romans 5:13-14)

Sin was BEFORE the law. (Romans 5:13)

Sin was not accounted UNTIL Moses. (Romans 5:14)

The law was added 430 later and is UNTIL Christ (Gal 3:19)

The Sabbath was made known (for the first time through Moses) not reminded. [Nehemiah 9:13-14]

Even Gods Direct words state that he gave (not reminded) the Mosaic Covenant (10 Commandments) through Moses. [Jeremiah 31:32]

Before Moses, The Bibles silence on the forefathers keeping the Sabbath is in harmony with all Scripture.


The Bible is written under the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit. There is NO Scripture saying that the Ten Commandments existed before the fall and such teaching is in conflict with clear specific text, conflict with the Bible, in conflict with God’s OWN words, and in conflict with the Holy Spirit.

May I remind Sabbatarians this is not an attack but rather a Biblical study to establish a Biblical perspective on some of the common Sabbatarian Doctrines.

Don’t attack me, Sabbatarian Doctrines have done enough of that to me in the past, now however is a rightful to place your focus toward God. Embrace his Word rather that a denominations Doctrines based on writings outside of Scripture.

Is that not a message of liberty, to have a more truthful understanding of God?

Why would one want to defend that which is opposed to the truth of God?

Fact: E.G. White’s writings are in conflict with Gods word.

Whom do you want to embrace or defend?

Does one love Church more then God?

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